Sunday, March 16, 2014

Ron Wyden, Oregon Town Hall Meeting #691

Ackerman Hall, EOU, La Grande, OR
March 15, 2014

Pre-Blog, skip down a couple paragraphs to cut to the chase. 

During the National Guard presentation of the colors. The boys presented the colors, the girls caried the guns.  I liked that.   Before the meeting, Thomas from Oregon Rural Action passed out “No Fast Track for the TPP,” stickers.  I liked that, too, mostly only because I am suspicious of anything the government wants to fast track.  That’s not their style of play.  They take forever to make easy decisions, much less significant ones.  If they are going to take the time to get something done, they better at least do what Ron Wyden does and talk to as many people, all of their constituents, whoever they are, wherever they are.

There were some interesting questions raised, there were some less interesting ones.  Mr. Wyden had some great responses, and a couple dodgy ones.  He did not have all the answers, not even most of them, but he certainly had an approach to solving problems.  The reactions of the audience showed an interesting dichotomy of La Grande citizens.  In principle, the fact that so many people gathered together to share their feelings, or at least have them heard, is a sign of openness and a chance to exchange.  However, there seemed a relative unwillingness to take Wyden’s ultimate message to heart: in order to make change, you have to be willing to make concessions. Anytime, you remain hard line and need every single aspect solved, you ruin the chances to get anything solved.  Life is always about give and take. 

Transparency was the most passionately charged topic, hallelujahed by all, with scathing critiques of current unexplained injustices in federal government.  The feeling was that when we, as common people, do something wrong, we have a huge penalty to pay, but when elected officials do something wrong, they suffer no consequences.  For example, who holds the secretary of state accountable?   Wyden gave some responses, which we will come to, but he is a huge believer in transparency and accountability, which was why he holds such meetings.

The real blog.

Ron Wyden has been in civil service since at least 1980 and has been a U.S. Senator since 1996.  He also served fifteen years in the House from Oregon’s Third District.  Wyden is originally from Witchita, Kansas, where his parents fled from Nazi Germany.  He grew up in Palo Alto, and then studied at Stanford, before he received a law degree from Oregon.  He founded the Oregon chapter of the Gray Panthers in the 1970s.  Wyden is the current chairman of the Senate Committee on Finance, which he was appointed to only 10 days ago.  Prior to that, Wyden was chairman of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. He is a big fan of transparency in government and makes it a priority to hold at least one town hall meeting in each county, each year.  These meetings date back to 1996.  La Grande hosted town hall meeting #691 on March 15, Wallowa and Malheur Counties hosted meetings on March 16.  In addition to Wyden’s very open internet presence, he has tried to be more accessible to everyone.  “The reason I do this is to listen, follow up. Coming up with practical answers is what civil service is all about.”  He is the only current politician that kid yoshida has found worth following on twitter.

Early questions included early intervention with learning starting from birth.  Wyden admitted that even people with hearts of concrete can agree that, fiscally speaking, it is extremely prudent to have as many people as educated as young as possible.

Lonnie Myers from the American Legion Post #43 mentioned Veteran’s Secretary Shinseki’s move to cut veteran’s service offices.  Wyden expressed strong opposition to that and expects bi-partisan support for blocking any such effort.

Wyden’s most favored comments came during questions that Mayor Pokorney raised about proposed military cuts to pre-world war two levels with lots of threats out there.  Wyden was forthright that cutting the national guard with new bills is a mistake.  His main avenue for reform was in weapon’s systems. “Some weapons systems are a rip off, not advancing security…We need good accurate intelligence for big savings.”  Also, “we don’t need boots on the ground” in the middle east.

The fate of the U.S. postal service was questioned, including preserving the pensions of the workers, protected by the constitution.  Wyden acknowledged it was the only entity with a guaranteed pension, though the future of the post office would depend on public interest and values as a community.  There is a new bill that helps protect rural areas, which have different communication needs than urban areas.  Whatever happens, there will be plenty of communication in every area.  The question then became, wouldn’t we want to save the post office altogether instead of focusing on rural vs urban areas.  I did not get all of Wyden’s answer, but he said yes, the he “wanted to be a part of that solution.”

Chantell Cosner, executive director of the Liberty Theatre, brought up the issue of restoration efforts and the economic impact on downtowns.  Wyden said that these efforts are a real magnet for business.  In the short term, they employ people on the construction.  The venues then bring more people into town for more community involvement.  Wyden also connected tax reform debate to claim that, “charitable donations are a big part of surviving projects.”

Shelter Fromthe Storm had three representatives to ask questions.  One requested some transparency that hasn’t been there in terms of the agency knowing of their impending displacement years ago, when the discussions on the new courthouse began. Shelter From the Storm could have positioned themselves according to changes that have now been more suddenly dropped upon them.  Executive Director Teresa Crouser brought up the Violence Against Women Act and how the courthouse funding decisions have affected the ability to provide services and placement.  Wyden is not an expert on building spaces and deferred to his assistant Kathleen Cathey, a La Grande native to help with that aspect, while also pledging support for the cause and the importance of Shelter From the Storm work.  Everyone at least can be pleased that funds were secured for Shelter From The Storm.

Several environmental questions came from the back of the room from District Ranger Bill Gamble, Hell’s Canyon Preservation Council President Brian Kelly, and others.  The audience, as the region in general seems to be, was divided on the significance.  Responses ranged from stone-faced disinterest, to vehement head-shaking opposition, to all arms together call of duty support.  At that point, Wyden admitted that, in politics, “every bill, every request, must have some compromise. Nobody gets everything they want, but…can we get what we need?”  Wyden thinks that himself, GregWalden and Peter DeFazio are well-positioned to move in positive directions on these issues, but “we cannot be allergic to compromise.”

Wyden did give some direct and insightful responses, however.  Climate change arguments need to be taken more seriously.  400 parts per million is alarming in carbon dioxide concentrations and well above recommended safe levels, higher than in the last few million years.  With concerns about carbon sequestration, bio-mass and forestry interests, Wyden cut straight to the chase in pointing out that acceptance of renewable energy is the only way to proceed. Old growth forests are important as huge repositories of carbon for the future, this cannot be debated.  Plus, “more changes regarding our policies on wildfire prevention,” mainly cleaning up undergrowth, is critical.

“The east side forest bill is looking for funding…but big challenges with an economy $17 trillion in debt.” The wars of Iraq and Afghanistan that Wyden never supported “take money away from these types of projects.”  Oregon did get money for schools and roads, so there is no reason to not hope the farm bill can come through, for starters, and more preservation efforts continue. Wyden also expressed an outlook that, while he is an opponent, Oregon still has a viable timber industry.  The insinuation seemed to carry that would be a good avenue for compromise, as business involvement can also aid restoration efforts at the same time.  I can only surmise what others opinions might have been toward much of that talk.

Charles Lidle [?] started with the national hot button issues in questioning Wyden’s role on the NSA committee.  Wyden gave a pretty balanced approach and viewpoint.  He said, “technology used to be incapable of many things and personal rights were secured by default, but this is not the case anymore.  We now have to imbed rights into tech laws.  I am a Ben Franklin guy, who says that those who wish to cede liberty for security, deserve neither.  There are a lot of people that think that “the government can’t possibly listen to every conversation and this is true…but the NSA doesn’t need to listen to specific conversations to gather a lot of information about individuals.”  While it is true that government intelligence and surveillance is necessary to protect military interests, there is still “a culture of misinformation…there are new discussions aimed at government involvement, pushing hard for a bi-partisan bill to secure both liberty and security.”

A woman in the third row posed the question of second amendment violations in taking guns away from law abiding citizens, which shows correlations with increased gun violence.  Wyden said he strongly supports the second amendment and his focus of opposition has been toward armed criminals.  He, as a parent, understands that “parents are stunned over the events of the last year and a half” (though actually much longer), and that “background checks to keep guns away from mentally ill and career criminals” is only responsible.  Wyden doesn’t want to keep guns from deserving citizens for protection.  The woman attacked Wyden’s support to restrict gun rights as a second amendment violation and Wyden told her that he would be open to any exchanges if she could highlight any divergence from the second amendment in the bills he supports, “you mark the provisions and we’ll correspond.”  He offered the same after the meeting had ended to a man who brought up similar concerns about the UN shifting to a privilege stance rather than a seeing guns as a right.

The real fireball struck when a man named Jack stood up to attack integrity, dishonesty and lies in the administrations.  He said the “Affordable Care Act is totally off base with what we had been told.  We’ve seen insurance cuts doubled.  The program has only added 400,000 people, none of them have paid anything for it.  There are so many freedoms being taken away by the ACA, EPA, IRS, DOJ, there is no honesty in any of that. Who are conducting the investigations?”  Jack blasted the blasé approach to the borders and expressed a dire need to protect our lands in the southwest.  He was especially passionate about Benghazi and wanted to know who stood down the rescue attempt? 

Wyden chose the first and the last of the issues for focus.  Being inaccessible is not OK.  Wyden continually used his willingness to travel to people to exchange questions and answers as a move toward transparency.  He hedged the Benghazi question in so much as it is “classified information.”  He admitted that “the State Department had a huge role in the breakdown…An exceptional amount of activity went wrong. Hillary Clinton has acknowledged it as the huge regret of her term in office. It will be debated for the next 20 years. I am more interested in making sure it doesn’t happen again.”  kid yoshida is of the opinion that we can’t make sure something doesn’t happen again if we don’t know what even happened in the first place. Openness and transparency, not sealed documents, are key to that security.  The easiest question regarding accountability, “don’t you have friends that can get something done?”  Wyden replied, “I wish I had more friends.”

Late in the meeting, came the points that both Wyden and myself share as being the most significant, politically speaking at least.

Diane Gregg, a Grande Ronde nurse, broached the cost effectiveness and sensibility of leaving open beds in hospitals.  Wyden came straight out, we need more critical access facilities...cutting services creates bigger problems.

A woman who drove over from Pendleton complemented the nursing question with more involved scenarios that drew plenty of reaction.  “We need more family wage jobs.  The service industry is just depressing...not cutting it for rural America.”  This problem is exasperated by the fact that “we have decimated the school system…and cannot approach what the TAA recommends as a $16 per hour wage.”  In short, there are no offers, nor enough qualified applicants, for livable wage jobs. 

Wyden referred the audience to his website and his post on “innovative ways to sustain middle class.”  He took the inspiration from Henry Ford, who maintained that workers needed to be able to afford to purchase his cars.  Wyden thought the forest industry would “raise up the middle class in rural areas.”  Also, health care will be a major employer, considering the demographics in rural areas, we will need “good quality care with technicians.”  Renewable energy and agriculture can also save rural America.  He ended by making sure that people understood that politicians do not create jobs.  When they boast that they created 5000 new jobs, only to be countered by a claim that the next guy created 10,000 new jobs, are all just baseless bickering.  Politicians may be able to help set the right economic conditions...but they do not create more jobs.  If they do, I can only presume that becomes more of the bureaucracy that create all the problems we are trying to solve.

I skipped my chance to interact when my number was called and could not wait in the line afterwards, but I did take the opportunity to correspond. 

Dear Senator Wyden,

Thank you for bringing another town hall meeting to La Grande the other day.  I was fortunate to attend, though I was the person who declined the chance to speak, primarily because I was not aware of the meeting very far in advance and had no time to prepare a thoughtful response.  I have two main concerns; one big concern inspired by the meeting itself and one even bigger concern of modern society. 

I have worked in various parts of the health care industry (as more and more of the population does) and volunteer in media at KEOL-FM.  I do see the benefit of having more jobs being created, but I am not sure more jobs correlate with standard of care, sort of like more educational opportunities do not necessarily correlate with more educated people.  There are many opportunities to get involved in the health care field and not always well-trained staff to fill the posts.  When we begin paying minimum wage to health care workers, people who make important decisions, we are not guaranteeing the security of the system.

My job in the health care industry is pretty desirable for me.  I have plenty of experience and training.  I don’t make all that much given my responsibilities.  In fact, $11.50 per hour is probably underpaid, but I manage because of my simple lifestyle.  I don’t understand how most people doing similar work around me are supporting families on lower hourly wages.  When it comes to health care, more is not always better.  Health care is not like fast food, cheaper being better.  When I go in for a condition, I feel better knowing that someone is well-trained and well-paid to take care of me more so than someone with a free six-week community college course that qualified for a $10-per-hour position to do the same job.  I worry about the future quality of health care, even if many jobs are opening.  I can only hope the ACA holds the key.  It does at least seem as good as anything we have tried thus far. 

My main concern in life right now is student loans.  It’s not the best question perhaps in a university, where the audience contains a disproportionate number of students yet to suffer the repercussions of debt and number of faculty and administrators that don’t want to open up any cans of worms that may lead to more financial cutbacks.  This is a deep subject to be sure.  We have to consider what value is received for our cost of education in terms of relative bargaining power. 

I had a fairly good experience in my first degree program that enabled me to work a well-paying job for a few years to pay off the entirety of a relatively low loan debt.  My next enrollment at college for a behavioral science qualification, and attempt at a masters degree, was a much less positive experience and left me, albeit a little bit high for most, in an endless debt trap.  At the wage of $11.50, I go more into debt everyday.  What was $58,000 of debt in 2010 is now $64,000 in 2014.  What’s more is that there are lots of people in the same position, just in La Grande.  What cumulative effects will fall on the work force required to pay back impossible amounts of money?  And is the quality of education as high as the cost?   Does a college education really mean much nowadays?  In terms of bargaining power, it is basically worth what a high school diploma was worth in the 1980s.  Certainly my mother was hired for a state job in the 1980s, while it was my second degree that enabled me to be hired for a state job in 2010.  A college degree is a good thing to attain, almost a necessity, but high school is free, college is not.

In 2012, according to Forbes, the average student loan debt was $27,253, which was 58% higher than 2005 and might help explain why I got more for my money on my first trip through university.  Now we have student loans as the most defaulted loans in the nation at over 11% of $1.08 trillion. Credit cards, mortgages, car loans, and every other aspect of American debt is more under control than student loans.  The new generation has a one-third support for the idea of going to work straight out of high school, instead of going to university.  That paid off for Kobe and LeBron, who are also all the kid’s role models.  Even a person that has no family, and no other debt, will struggle to pay off $27,000 on a $10-per-hour job. The math isn’t that hard to figure out on that one.  What is it going to take to fix this situation that is obviously continuing to spiral out of control?  And what can the millions of people getting hoodwinked into perpetual debt do in the meantime?

daniel kid” yoshida
genki.tenki@gmail.com 


An extra for blog readers that want to see what variation of the question, I most likely would have given had I taken my opportunity on Saturday.

In recalling the man supporting the post office, a cold reality that may need to be considered, as with the post office, the university system seems to be approaching a public that can do without their services.  A business that raises prices to extreme levels while cutting services is not setting itself up for success.  I am never in huge favor of government bailing people out.  I don’t know where the answer lies in there.  If institutions facing problems can get the correct approach to solve more with less money, they control their own survival.  I don’t believe that something like a university cutting media arts programs, as this one must keep doing is beneficial in any way.  Financially speaking, it is suicide to have poor media outlets because that is the core of the information people outside the institution receive.  It is basically buying bad advertising.  Pop culture may value bad advertising; an educational institution cannot afford it.  I certainly am having a pretty hard time paying my part of the entire mess.  You have got to be able to appeal to people if you expect to do business with them.  You need to be consumer friendly.  In any other business, except transportation and education, I can take my receipt back for a refund if I don’t like the product.  The question is how can I even buy a good product as far as transportation and education are concerned?




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